[NEWS] Ukraine Can’t Win the War

[TheButcher]

Why the American people overwhelmingly voted for Trump, they are smart, they are tired of their country wasting hundred's of billions of dollars on Ukraine.
They do not want a direct war with Russia. Russia against 32 Nato countries means they will resort to nuclear weapons. Biden or whoever told him to authorize this has made America and the whole world a very dangerous place. He doesn't care he is old leaving office in 2 months, he started this war and want's to make trump's time harder in finding a peaceful resolution.

If I was Trump and truly wanted an end to this conflict I would already have picked up the phone called the acting president of Ukraine told him, don't you dare. You use an American long range missile to strike Russia I will stop all aid to Ukraine the first minute I am in office. My second call would be to Putin to tell him Zelensky is on notice.


Russia is not joking, read this article.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukraine-r ... -1.7385817


"The Kremlin said on Monday that any U.S. decision to allow Ukraine to fire American missiles deep into Russia would mean it was directly involved in the conflict.

When asked about weekend reports by the New York Times and Reuters that Biden's administration had made the decision on long-range strikes, Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov noted that the reports were not based on any official statement."

"If such a decision was indeed formulated and brought to the Kyiv regime, then this is a qualitatively new round of tension and a qualitatively new situation from the point of view of U.S. involvement in this conflict," Peskov said.

Ok we will have to respectfully agree to disagree on this one

But my opinion is Biden didn't start this war and nor did Zelensky. The only person who started this was was Putin and he did it because we let him get away with it in Crimea and so he has come back for more. And if we let him get away with it again, he will come back for even more

Remember as soon as Zelensky came to power, he flew to Paris for his one and only meeting with Putin and asked him what it would take to stop the fighting in the east ? Putin claimed he knew nothing about the fighting in the east and that it was nothing to do with him. Well now we know that was bullshit. Then there was a flurry of world leaders who went to meet Putin personally to try and persuade him not to start the war (even promising him that Ukraine would not join NATO for at least 10 years) but Putin refused to listen. This is Putin's war

Putin threatened to escalate if we provided long range missiles. He threatened again if we supplied tanks, then again if we provided jets, and again if any of his territory was invaded. We shouldn't back down to ruthless dictators just because they threaten to escalate. What happens if China threatens to escalate ?? Should we back down them too ???

Thats just my opinion and a lot of Americans (including republicans) agree

As always, "Ok we will have to respectfully agree to disagree on this one" we might not see eye to eye on certain topics but that is what counts.

Zelensky is going to get pushed out by his generals, people or Trump, he is the problem to a peaceful resolution. He thinks he is the one to call the shots, when Americans decide he has served his usefulness they will tell him go away. Who was it that initialed the draft peace agreement in Turkey couple of months after the conflict started then refused to implement it. On the orders of Bojo if I may add. Zelensky is only a tool being used not the one who calls the shots. The problem with these tools is after a while they start believing in the lies and hype that they have a say, no they don't.

[tacnet]

Why the American people overwhelmingly voted for Trump, they are smart, they are tired of their country wasting hundred's of billions of dollars on Ukraine.
They do not want a direct war with Russia. Russia against 32 Nato countries means they will resort to nuclear weapons. Biden or whoever told him to authorize this has made America and the whole world a very dangerous place. He doesn't care he is old leaving office in 2 months, he started this war and want's to make trump's time harder in finding a peaceful resolution.

If I was Trump and truly wanted an end to this conflict I would already have picked up the phone called the acting president of Ukraine told him, don't you dare. You use an American long range missile to strike Russia I will stop all aid to Ukraine the first minute I am in office. My second call would be to Putin to tell him Zelensky is on notice.


Russia is not joking, read this article.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukraine-r ... -1.7385817


"The Kremlin said on Monday that any U.S. decision to allow Ukraine to fire American missiles deep into Russia would mean it was directly involved in the conflict.

When asked about weekend reports by the New York Times and Reuters that Biden's administration had made the decision on long-range strikes, Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov noted that the reports were not based on any official statement."

"If such a decision was indeed formulated and brought to the Kyiv regime, then this is a qualitatively new round of tension and a qualitatively new situation from the point of view of U.S. involvement in this conflict," Peskov said.

Ok we will have to respectfully agree to disagree on this one

But my opinion is Biden didn't start this war and nor did Zelensky. The only person who started this was was Putin and he did it because we let him get away with it in Crimea and so he has come back for more. And if we let him get away with it again, he will come back for even more

Remember as soon as Zelensky came to power, he flew to Paris for his one and only meeting with Putin and asked him what it would take to stop the fighting in the east ? Putin claimed he knew nothing about the fighting in the east and that it was nothing to do with him. Well now we know that was bullshit. Then there was a flurry of world leaders who went to meet Putin personally to try and persuade him not to start the war (even promising him that Ukraine would not join NATO for at least 10 years) but Putin refused to listen. This is Putin's war

Putin threatened to escalate if we provided long range missiles. He threatened again if we supplied tanks, then again if we provided jets, and again if any of his territory was invaded. We shouldn't back down to ruthless dictators just because they threaten to escalate. What happens if China threatens to escalate ?? Should we back down them too ???

Thats just my opinion and a lot of Americans (including republicans) agree

As always, "Ok we will have to respectfully agree to disagree on this one" we might not see eye to eye on certain topics but that is what counts.

Zelensky is going to get pushed out by his generals, people or Trump, he is the problem to a peaceful resolution. He thinks he is the one to call the shots, when Americans decide he has served his usefulness they will tell him go away. Who was it that initialed the draft peace agreement in Turkey couple of months after the conflict started then refused to implement it. On the orders of Bojo if I may add. Zelensky is only a tool being used not the one who calls the shots. The problem with these tools is after a while they start believing in the lies and hype that they have a say, no they don't.

There was a reason the Turkey peace deal didn't go through and that was because evidence had just come out about the slaughter at Bucha. The Ukranian's had driven the Russians back from the town and found over 458 bodies (including 9 children) just strewn around the streets. Most of them civilians and many with their hands tied behind their backs and then shot at close range. It was pure and simple genocide and the whole area is still the subject of a war crimes investigation.

Zelensky was pushing for a peace deal right up to that moment but then he went and saw the carnage at Bucha, as did many other western leaders. It was then that the peace deal fell through

I wont post the pictures here because some of them are quite graphic but you can see what I mean here https://apnews.com/article/bucha-ukrain ... b05028b8b4

[BrasSmonkey]

tac wants WW3!!! you are full of it!!! how can you get peace from "not backing down" bullshit????? there needs to be a ceasefire!!!

[tacnet]

tac wants WW3!!! you are full of it!!! how can you get peace from "not backing down" bullshit????? there needs to be a ceasefire!!!

You DONT stop a war by backing down to Putin. That's how this war started in the first place !!!

In 2008, Putin invaded Georgia after a false flag operation and the west did nothing. Realizing he could get away with it, an emboldened Putin then invaded Crimea in 2014 and again, the west made a few feeble protests. Then in 2017 we let him get away with arming his buddy Assad in Syria with chemical weapons which he used on his own people. He's carried out dozens of state sponsored murders across Europe in Germany, Spain, France and even using chemical weapons in the UK TWICE and all we did is expel a few diplomats.

Every time you back down to Putin, he comes back for more. That's why we are in this war in the first place.

If we cave into his demands again, you can bet your bottom dollar that he will come back for the rest of Ukraine and the baltic states. He even wrote an essay in 2020 in which he claimed that Ukraine, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and even parts of Finland belonged to Russia !!!

[BrasSmonkey]

you want them to fight because some personal reason. maybe the middle east stuff.

tac wants WW3!!! you are full of it!!! how can you get peace from "not backing down" bullshit????? there needs to be a ceasefire!!!

You DONT stop a war by backing down to Putin. That's how this war started in the first place !!!

In 2008, Putin invaded Georgia after a false flag operation and the west did nothing. Realizing he could get away with it, an emboldened Putin then invaded Crimea in 2014 and again, the west made a few feeble protests. Then in 2017 we let him get away with arming his buddy Assad in Syria with chemical weapons which he used on his own people. He's carried out dozens of state sponsored murders across Europe in Germany, Spain, France and even using chemical weapons in the UK TWICE and all we did is expel a few diplomats.

Every time you back down to Putin, he comes back for more. That's why we are in this war in the first place.

If we cave into his demands again, you can bet your bottom dollar that he will come back for the rest of Ukraine and the baltic states. He even wrote an essay in 2020 in which he claimed that Ukraine, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and even parts of Finland belonged to Russia !!!

[T.B.W]

"KYIV, Nov 19 (Reuters) - Kyiv said on Tuesday it struck a Russian arsenal near the town of Karachev in the Bryansk region, over 110 km (70 miles) from Ukraine, in what two Ukrainian media outlets reported was a first strike with U.S.-supplied ATACMS missiles."

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/uk ... 024-11-19/

Now what happens they used our ATACMS to hit into Russia

[T.B.W]

" President Vladimir Putin has updated Russia’s nuclear doctrine, two days after his US counterpart Joe Biden granted Ukraine permission to strike targets deep inside Russia with American-made weapons.

Under the updated doctrine, Moscow will consider aggression from any non-nuclear state – but with the participation of a nuclear country – a joint attack on Russia.

The change comes as Russia claims Ukraine fired the US-made ATACMS missiles into the Russian region of Bryansk. The attack, if confirmed, would mark the first such use by Ukraine since Biden gave the green light. "

https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/19/europe/p ... index.html



Just saw this one, not looking good for WW3.

[BrasSmonkey]

" President Vladimir Putin has updated Russia’s nuclear doctrine, two days after his US counterpart Joe Biden granted Ukraine permission to strike targets deep inside Russia with American-made weapons.

Under the updated doctrine, Moscow will consider aggression from any non-nuclear state – but with the participation of a nuclear country – a joint attack on Russia.

The change comes as Russia claims Ukraine fired the US-made ATACMS missiles into the Russian region of Bryansk. The attack, if confirmed, would mark the first such use by Ukraine since Biden gave the green light. "

https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/19/europe/p ... index.html



Just saw this one, not looking good for WW3.

when the ukraine is gets hard watch nato. then china and north korea. NUKES!!!!

[jag]

This situation is more dangerous than the Cuban missile crises of the 1960's.

[tacnet]

This situation is more dangerous than the Cuban missile crises of the 1960's.

Its nowhere near that LOL. Ive lost count of the number of times Putin has waived his nuclear sabre in this war. He knows full well he cant use it as it would be the end of the war and likely the end of Putin himself

Firstly China has told him that if he goes nuclear, ALL support from China will stop immediately. Secondly, NATO has told him that if he drops a single nuke, NATO WILL go in and destroy the base that launched it. If he drops a second nuke, then NATO WILL put boots on the ground and drive him out of Ukraine. Thirdly, dropping a nuke on Ukraine will hurt Russia itself as the prevailing winds are eastwards and will blow all that radio active material towards Russia. And finally, you don't use nukes on a territory you plan to annex. The place would be uninhabitable for decades (just look at Chernobyl)

Every time Putin waives his nuclear sabre, its a sign that he is desperate and is trying to scare the west but he knows that if he crosses that line, the WHOLE world will condemn him and he will loose the war

[BrasSmonkey]

if he fire it we are all fucked anyway! nuclear winter! (that is what scientist guess) that will last the rest of our lives!

This situation is more dangerous than the Cuban missile crises of the 1960's.

Its nowhere near that LOL. Ive lost count of the number of times Putin has waived his nuclear sabre in this war. He knows full well he cant use it as it would be the end of the war and likely the end of Putin himself

Firstly China has told him that if he goes nuclear, ALL support from China will stop immediately. Secondly, NATO has told him that if he drops a single nuke, NATO WILL go in and destroy the base that launched it. If he drops a second nuke, then NATO WILL put boots on the ground and drive him out of Ukraine. Thirdly, dropping a nuke on Ukraine will hurt Russia itself as the prevailing winds are eastwards and will blow all that radio active material towards Russia. And finally, you don't use nukes on a territory you plan to annex. The place would be uninhabitable for decades (just look at Chernobyl)

Every time Putin waives his nuclear sabre, its a sign that he is desperate and is trying to scare the west but he knows that if he crosses that line, the WHOLE world will condemn him and he will loose the war

[Webby]

Biden has fucked it up for Trump to end this war, just one more fuck up by him in the last 4 years.

[BrasSmonkey]

Biden has fucked it up for Trump to end this war, just one more fuck up by him in the last 4 years.

they fired a dry nuke at the ukraine. the next one might be nuclear...

[badkitty]

Trump will solve this mess Biden and Harris created for us. Not long till he is inaugurated as president.

[greatpornlinks]

Biden has fucked it up for Trump to end this war, just one more fuck up by him in the last 4 years.

they fired a dry nuke at the ukraine. the next one might be nuclear...

what you smoking no one will fire a nuke it will lead to a nuclear war the world will end