[NEWS] Ukraine Can’t Win the War

[BrasSmonkey]

Most of you are too young to remember the Cuban missile crisis where Russia threatened to put nukes in Cuba, by us moving nato closer to their borders it must make them feel the same way. Does this make sense, if Ukraine was to become part of nato it seems obvious the Russians will feel threatened. So you see why they are doing this war.

putin said they would attack first. there is/was a mole somewhere....

[tacnet]

Most of you are too young to remember the Cuban missile crisis where Russia threatened to put nukes in Cuba, by us moving nato closer to their borders it must make them feel the same way. Does this make sense, if Ukraine was to become part of nato it seems obvious the Russians will feel threatened. So you see why they are doing this war.

putin said they would attack first. there is/was a mole somewhere....

The Cuban Missile Crisis did NOT involve someone attacking a independant sovereign country. Plus the world knows that Ukraine was nowhere near getting into NATO.

This is simply about whether a country like Russia can get away with invading a weaker sovereign neighbour. And if we let them get away with it, then thats going to be a loud and clear message to places like Iran, China, North Korea etc

[BrasSmonkey]

Most of you are too young to remember the Cuban missile crisis where Russia threatened to put nukes in Cuba, by us moving nato closer to their borders it must make them feel the same way. Does this make sense, if Ukraine was to become part of nato it seems obvious the Russians will feel threatened. So you see why they are doing this war.

putin said they would attack first. there is/was a mole somewhere....

The Cuban Missile Crisis did NOT involve someone attacking a independant sovereign country. Plus the world knows that Ukraine was nowhere near getting into NATO.

This is simply about whether a country like Russia can get away with invading a weaker sovereign neighbour. And if we let them get away with it, then thats going to be a loud and clear message to places like Iran, China, North Korea etc

i don't know why you guys are going back over 50 years. do you say stuff just to say it? china would never pull a ukraine on taiwan. the war is almost over....

[tacnet]

putin said they would attack first. there is/was a mole somewhere....

The Cuban Missile Crisis did NOT involve someone attacking a independant sovereign country. Plus the world knows that Ukraine was nowhere near getting into NATO.

This is simply about whether a country like Russia can get away with invading a weaker sovereign neighbour. And if we let them get away with it, then thats going to be a loud and clear message to places like Iran, China, North Korea etc

i don't know why you guys are going back over 50 years. do you say stuff just to say it? china would never pull a ukraine on taiwan. the war is almost over....

If the war is almost over then why is pretty much every country in the world ramping up its military spending right now ????

[BrasSmonkey]

The Cuban Missile Crisis did NOT involve someone attacking a independant sovereign country. Plus the world knows that Ukraine was nowhere near getting into NATO.

This is simply about whether a country like Russia can get away with invading a weaker sovereign neighbour. And if we let them get away with it, then thats going to be a loud and clear message to places like Iran, China, North Korea etc

i don't know why you guys are going back over 50 years. do you say stuff just to say it? china would never pull a ukraine on taiwan. the war is almost over....

If the war is almost over then why is pretty much every country in the world ramping up its military spending right now ????

they are wasting money! ukraine is going to lose more ground. then end up with an occupation or surrender. ukraine has lost over 500,000 troops... even if they took back ground who would defend it? they need to do a peace deal if it is not too late!

[tacnet]

i don't know why you guys are going back over 50 years. do you say stuff just to say it? china would never pull a ukraine on taiwan. the war is almost over....

If the war is almost over then why is pretty much every country in the world ramping up its military spending right now ????

they are wasting money! ukraine is going to lose more ground. then end up with an occupation or surrender. ukraine has lost over 500,000 troops... even if they took back ground who would defend it? they need to do a peace deal if it is not too late!

The minute you back down to an agressor, you invite further aggression !

We let Putin get away with atrocities in Chechnya, Georgia, Syria and Crimea. We turned a blind eye when he poisoned people like Viktor Yushchenko (President of Ukraine), Navalny, Boris Nemtsov, Sergei Skripal, Litvinenko

And now, because of Trump, we are letting him get away with invading Ukraine

We need to stand up to Putin NOW otherwise we are simply inviting further aggression

[BrasSmonkey]

If the war is almost over then why is pretty much every country in the world ramping up its military spending right now ????

they are wasting money! ukraine is going to lose more ground. then end up with an occupation or surrender. ukraine has lost over 500,000 troops... even if they took back ground who would defend it? they need to do a peace deal if it is not too late!

The minute you back down to an agressor, you invite further aggression !

We let Putin get away with atrocities in Chechnya, Georgia, Syria and Crimea. We turned a blind eye when he poisoned people like Viktor Yushchenko (President of Ukraine), Navalny, Boris Nemtsov, Sergei Skripal, Litvinenko

And now, because of Trump, we are letting him get away with invading Ukraine

We need to stand up to Putin NOW otherwise we are simply inviting further aggression

they went along with that about not backing down. now china is on the back end of russia. leave trump out of this. biden sat there as i told you before. i say by this summer it will be done. sat photos bomb ukraine heavy weapons. it's over....

[TheButcher]

i don't know why you guys are going back over 50 years. do you say stuff just to say it? china would never pull a ukraine on taiwan. the war is almost over....

If the war is almost over then why is pretty much every country in the world ramping up its military spending right now ????

they are wasting money! ukraine is going to lose more ground. then end up with an occupation or surrender. ukraine has lost over 500,000 troops... even if they took back ground who would defend it? they need to do a peace deal if it is not too late!

I agree with that analysis it is spot on correct. Russia is not going to occupy any part of Ukraine except for the territories that were previously part of Russia and those areas that are ethnic Russian who want to join Russia. My guess all along has been they will take everything east of the Dnipro river which is where the Russians are and Odessa. Ukraine will be a land locked rump state with no access to the sea. This is not a war about territory, therefore I doubt Russia will occupy the west of that river. I said all along this war was never going to be won by Ukraine they had no chance and the sooner a deal is made the less people will die. But some people still think it can be won, they are living in La-La land. Zelensky knows the day the war is over he is going to be be out of office and business so he's carrying on till the last Ukrainian. I feel bad for the people being sent to the front lines, I read the avarage soldier lasts less than 4 hours on the front lines.

[BrasSmonkey]

If the war is almost over then why is pretty much every country in the world ramping up its military spending right now ????

they are wasting money! ukraine is going to lose more ground. then end up with an occupation or surrender. ukraine has lost over 500,000 troops... even if they took back ground who would defend it? they need to do a peace deal if it is not too late!

I agree with that analysis it is spot on correct. Russia is not going to occupy any part of Ukraine except for the territories that were previously part of Russia and those areas that are ethnic Russian who want to join Russia. My guess all along has been they will take everything east of the Dnipro river which is where the Russians are and Odessa. Ukraine will be a land locked rump state with no access to the sea. This is not a war about territory, therefore I doubt Russia will occupy the west of that river. I said all along this war was never going to be won by Ukraine they had no chance and the sooner a deal is made the less people will die. But some people still think it can be won, they are living in La-La land. Zelensky knows the day the war is over he is going to be be out of office and business so he's carrying on till the last Ukrainian. I feel bad for the people being sent to the front lines, I read the avarage soldier lasts less than 4 hours on the front lines.

indeed nobody is helping because of the nukes...

[BrasSmonkey]

found this. i think they can keep ukraine if the ceasefire. https://tass.com/world/1679849 think i was right....
bidein is a fuckin idiot!!!
"MOSCOW, September 25. /TASS/. Ukraine is fated either to capitulate on Moscow’s terms or cease to exist as a state, Vyacheslav Volodin, speaker of the Russian State Duma (lower house of parliament), said."

[tacnet]

If the war is almost over then why is pretty much every country in the world ramping up its military spending right now ????

they are wasting money! ukraine is going to lose more ground. then end up with an occupation or surrender. ukraine has lost over 500,000 troops... even if they took back ground who would defend it? they need to do a peace deal if it is not too late!

I agree with that analysis it is spot on correct. Russia is not going to occupy any part of Ukraine except for the territories that were previously part of Russia and those areas that are ethnic Russian who want to join Russia. My guess all along has been they will take everything east of the Dnipro river which is where the Russians are and Odessa. Ukraine will be a land locked rump state with no access to the sea. This is not a war about territory, therefore I doubt Russia will occupy the west of that river. I said all along this war was never going to be won by Ukraine they had no chance and the sooner a deal is made the less people will die. But some people still think it can be won, they are living in La-La land. Zelensky knows the day the war is over he is going to be be out of office and business so he's carrying on till the last Ukrainian. I feel bad for the people being sent to the front lines, I read the avarage soldier lasts less than 4 hours on the front lines.

Sorry but I have to disagree. Thats like saying Hitler only wanted the Sudetenland. Then 2 weeks later he rolled his tanks into the rest of Czechoslovakia

It seems obvious to me that Russia plans to take ALL of Ukraine, otherwise why would he roll his tanks into Kyiv as he did at the start of this war ??? And bear in mind that Putin's justification for this war was to stop NATO expanding its borders right up to the Russian border. Well by invading Ukraine, Putin will have expanded the Russian borders right up to NATO's borders with Poland and now Finland.

And what about all those Ukranian's who are NOT ethnic Russians and who voted overwhelmingly for democracy ??? What kind of life can they expect under a brutal dictatorship like Putin ??

And lets be clear, this is ONLY happening because Trump and a small band of Republicans have decided to hijack aid for both Ukraine and Israel for their own political gain. Both democrats and republicans voted in favour of supporting Ukraine but now that decision is being sabotaged

This war will NOT stop with Ukraine. If Trump gets in, then thats the end of NATO and Putin will be free to take Poland, the Baltics or whatever he likes

[BrasSmonkey]

they are wasting money! ukraine is going to lose more ground. then end up with an occupation or surrender. ukraine has lost over 500,000 troops... even if they took back ground who would defend it? they need to do a peace deal if it is not too late!

I agree with that analysis it is spot on correct. Russia is not going to occupy any part of Ukraine except for the territories that were previously part of Russia and those areas that are ethnic Russian who want to join Russia. My guess all along has been they will take everything east of the Dnipro river which is where the Russians are and Odessa. Ukraine will be a land locked rump state with no access to the sea. This is not a war about territory, therefore I doubt Russia will occupy the west of that river. I said all along this war was never going to be won by Ukraine they had no chance and the sooner a deal is made the less people will die. But some people still think it can be won, they are living in La-La land. Zelensky knows the day the war is over he is going to be be out of office and business so he's carrying on till the last Ukrainian. I feel bad for the people being sent to the front lines, I read the avarage soldier lasts less than 4 hours on the front lines.

Sorry but I have to disagree. Thats like saying Hitler only wanted the Sudetenland. Then 2 weeks later he rolled his tanks into the rest of Czechoslovakia

It seems obvious to me that Russia plans to take ALL of Ukraine, otherwise why would he roll his tanks into Kyiv as he did at the start of this war ??? And bear in mind that Putin's justification for this war was to stop NATO expanding its borders right up to the Russian border. Well by invading Ukraine, Putin will have expanded the Russian borders right up to NATO's borders with Poland and now Finland.

And what about all those Ukranian's who are NOT ethnic Russians and who voted overwhelmingly for democracy ??? What kind of life can they expect under a brutal dictatorship like Putin ??

And lets be clear, this is ONLY happening because Trump and a small band of Republicans have decided to hijack aid for both Ukraine and Israel for their own political gain. Both democrats and republicans voted in favour of supporting Ukraine but now that decision is being sabotaged

This war will NOT stop with Ukraine. If Trump gets in, then thats the end of NATO and Putin will be free to take Poland, the Baltics or whatever he likes

there you go again!! fucking lies! the ukraine is a former part of russia just like georgia. ukraine is over and out!

required a two-thirds approval from the Senate before any withdrawal from NATO!!!

[BrasSmonkey]

The Reps are cutting aid to ukraine. last minute change!!!!! https://www.ozarksfirst.com/news/politi ... ng-russia/


FILE – Smoke rises from a building in Bakhmut, site of the heaviest battles with the Russian troops in the Donetsk region, Ukraine, April 26, 2023. The GOP has been softening its stance on Russia ever since Donald Trump won the 2016 presidential election following Russian hacking of his Democratic opponents. The reasons include Russian President Vladimir Putin holding himself out as an international champion of conservative Christian values, the GOP’s growing skepticism of international entanglements and Trump’s own personal embrace of the Russian leader. Now the GOP’s ambivalence on Russia has stalled additional aid to Ukraine. (AP Photo/Libkos, File)

by: NICHOLAS RICCARDI, Associated Press

Posted: Feb 19, 2024 / 11:14 AM CST

Updated: Feb 19, 2024 / 11:16 AM CST

At about 2 a.m. last Tuesday, Republican Sen. Ron Johnson of Wisconsin stood on the Senate floor and explained why he opposed sending more aid to help Ukraine fend off the invasion launched in 2022 by Russian President Vladimir Putin.

“I don’t like this reality,” Johnson said. “Vladimir Putin is an evil war criminal.” But he quickly added: “Vladimir Putin will not lose this war.”

That argument — that the Russian president cannot be stopped so there’s no point in using American taxpayer dollars against him — marks a new stage in the Republican Party’s growing acceptance of Russian expansionism in the age of Donald Trump.

The GOP has been softening its stance on Russia ever since Trump won the 2016 election following Russian hacking of his Democratic opponents. There are several reasons for the shift. Among them, Putin is holding himself out as an international champion of conservative Christian values and the GOP is growing increasingly skeptical of overseas entanglements. Then there’s Trump’s personal embrace of the Russian leader.

Now the GOP’s ambivalence on Russia has stalled additional aid to Ukraine at a pivotal time in the war.

The Senate last week passed a foreign aid package that included $61 billion for Ukraine on a 70-29 vote, but Johnson was one of a majority of the Republicans to vote against the bill after their late-night stand to block it. In the Republican-controlled House, Speaker Mike Johnson said his chamber will not be “rushed” to pass the measure, even as Ukraine’s military warns of dire shortages of ammunition and artillery.

Many Republicans are openly frustrated that their colleagues don’t see the benefits of helping Ukraine. Putin and his allies have banked on democracies wearying of aiding Kyiv, and Putin’s GOP critics warn that NATO countries in eastern Europe could become targets of an emboldened Russia that believes the U.S. won’t counter it.

“Putin is losing,” Republican Sen. Thom Tillis of North Carolina said on the floor before Johnson’s speech. “This is not a stalemate.” Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky was one of 22 Republican senators to back the package, while 26 opposed it.

The divide within the party was on stark display Friday with the prison death of Russian opposition figure and anti-corruption advocate Alexei Navalny, which President Joe Biden and other world leaders blamed on Putin. Trump notably stood aside from that chorus Monday in his first public comment on the matter that referred to Navalny by name.

Offering no sympathy or attempt to affix blame, Trump posted on Truth Social that the “sudden death of Alexei Navalny has made me more and more aware of what is happening in our Country. It is a slow, steady progression, with CROOKED, Radical Left Politicians, Prosecutors, and Judges leading us down a path to destruction.”

Nikki Haley, his Republican presidential primary rival, said Monday that Trump is “siding with a thug” in his embrace of Putin.

Tillis responded to Navalny’s death by saying in a post, “History will not be kind to those in America who make apologies for Putin and praise Russian autocracy.”

Johnson, the House speaker, issued a statement calling Putin a “vicious dictator” and pledging that he “will be met with united opposition,” but he did not offer any way forward for passing the aid to Ukraine.

Within the Republican Party, skeptics of confronting Russia seem to be gaining ground.

“Nearly every Republican Senator under the age of 55 voted NO on this America Last bill,” Missouri Sen. Eric Schmitt, elected in 2022, posted on the social media site X after the vote last week. “15 out of 17 elected since 2018 voted NO. Things are changing just not fast enough.”

Those who oppose additional Ukraine aid bristle at charges that they are doing Putin’s handiwork. They contend they are taking a hard-headed look at whether it’s worth spending money to help the country.

“If you oppose a blank check to another country, I guess that makes you a Russian,” Alabama Sen. Tommy Tuberville said on the Senate floor, after posting that conservative commentator Tucker Carlson’s recent controversial interview of Putin shows that “Russia wants peace” in contrast to “DC warmongers.”

Rep. Matt Gaetz, a leading opponent of Ukraine aid in the House, described the movement as “a generational shift in my party away from neoconservatism toward foreign policy realism.”

In interviews with voters waiting to see Trump speak Saturday night in Waterford Township, Michigan, none praised Putin. But none wanted to spend more money confronting him, trusting Trump to handle the Russian leader.

Even before Trump, Republican voters were signaling discontent with overseas conflicts, said Douglas Kriner, a political scientist at Cornell University. That’s one reason Trump’s 2016 promise to avoid “stupid wars” resonated.

“Some of it may be a bottom-up change in a key part of the Republican base,” Kriner said, “and part of it reflects Trump’s hold on that base and his ability to sway its opinions and policy preferences in dramatic ways.”

Trump has long praised Putin, calling his invasion of Ukraine “smart” and “savvy,” and recalling this month that he had told NATO members who didn’t spend enough on defense that he would “encourage” Russia to “do whatever the hell they want” to them. He reiterated that threat days later.

Despite the reluctance within the GOP to continue supporting Ukraine, Russia remains deeply unpopular in the U.S. A July 2023 Gallup poll found that just 5% had a favorable view of Putin, including 7% of Republicans.

But Putin has positioned his country as a symbol of Christian conservatism and resistance to LGBTQ rights, while portraying himself as an embodiment of masculine strength. The combination has appealed to populist conservatives across the Western world. Putin’s appeal in some sectors of the right is demonstrated by Carlson’s recent tour of Russia, after which the conservative host posted videos admiring the Moscow subway and a supermarket that he says “would radicalize you against our leaders.”

“The goal of the Soviet Union was to be the beacon of left ideas,” said Olga Kamenchuk, a professor at Northwestern University. “Russia is now the beacon of conservative ideas.”

Kamenchuk said this is most visible not in Putin’s U.S. poll numbers, but in fading Republican support for Ukraine. About half of Republicans said the U.S. is providing “too much” support to Ukraine when it comes to Russia’s invasion, according to a Pew Research poll in December. That’s up from 9% in a Pew poll taken in March 2022, just weeks after Russia invaded.

When Putin attacked Ukraine, there was bipartisan condemnation. Even a year ago, most Republicans in Congress pledged support. But around the same time, Trump was lamenting that U.S. leaders were “suckers” for sending aid.

By the fall, the party was divided. Republicans refused to include another round of Ukraine funding in the government spending bill, insisting that Democrats needed to include a border security measure to earn their support.

After Trump condemned the compromise border proposal, Republicans sank the bill, leaving Ukraine backers no option but to push the assistance as part of a foreign aid package with additional money for Israel and Taiwan.

Several experts on Russia note that the rhetoric the GOP uses against Ukraine aid can mirror Putin’s own — that Ukraine is corrupt and will waste the money, that the U.S. can’t afford to look beyond its borders and that Russia’s victory is inevitable.

“He’s trying to create the perception that he’s never going to be beaten, so don’t even try,” Henry Hale, a George Washington University political scientist, said of Putin.

Skeptics of Ukraine aid argue the war has already decimated the Russian military and that Putin won’t be able to target other European countries.

“Russia has shown in the last two years that they do not have the ability to march through Western Europe,” said Russell Vought, Trump’s former director of the Office of Management and Budget who is now president of the Center for Renewing America, which opposes additional Ukraine funding.

But several experts noted that Putin has alluded to plans to retake much of the former Soviet Union’s territory, which could include NATO countries such as Lithuania and Estonia that the U.S is obligated under its treaty to defend militarily.

Sergey Radchenko, a professor at Johns Hopkins’ School of Advanced International Studies, noted that Russia for decades has hoped the U.S would lose interest in protecting Europe: “This was Stalin’s dream, that the U.S. would just retreat to the Western hemisphere.”

[AlexO]

Most of you are too young to remember the Cuban missile crisis where Russia threatened to put nukes in Cuba, by us moving nato closer to their borders it must make them feel the same way. Does this make sense, if Ukraine was to become part of nato it seems obvious the Russians will feel threatened. So you see why they are doing this war.

We read about it in college and in those days less countries had nukes........

[BrasSmonkey]

now they are fucked!