How romantic is a prenup

[gotonudecom]

You're all looking from a position where you are not a multi-millionaire.

and that you never plan to be one or keep it after you get it.

[workman]

When did money and love become equal partners?

[GlennfromLA]

When did money and love become equal partners?

[gotonudecom]

When did money and love become equal partners?

You would need to ask a woman that question.

[workman]

When did money and love become equal partners?

You would need to ask a woman that question.

My life is not worth me asking my GF that one.

[AlexO]

When did money and love become equal partners?

You would need to ask a woman that question.

My life is not worth me asking my GF that one.

[voyeurz]

How do you feel about splitting the check when on a date?

[Abby]

If a man proposed to me and said it is conditional on a prenup I would tell him to stick his ring and prenup up his ass.

[gotonudecom]

If a man proposed to me and said it is conditional on a prenup I would tell him to stick his ring and prenup up his ass.

He should have already talked to you about a prenup before proposing, then sent you to the curb when you responded like this.

A prenup protects both of you.
Like most women that bring zero finances to a relationship, that know they can leave at any point and take half and get paid the rest of their lives.
Of course these types of women are upset about discussing a prenup!

Women that have assets are the FIRST to ask for prenups! This is a statistical fact.
Women are the ones that act the victim and file for divorce.
Women file for 70% of divorces!

Lesbians have a much higher divorce rate.

Gay men have the lowest divorce rate.

Bisexual women report the most abuse.
followed by Transgender/Nonbinary (any orientation)
then Lesbians
Heterosexual Women is slightly more than Heterosexual men. We all know men report it MUCH less than women.
Gay men is by far the lowest reported abuse.

All I can speak of is my person experience. Both of my wives were violent towards ME. Had I not been secretly recording the abuse and my children witnessed this and been abuse themselves, I would be the bad guy.
Yes, both wives abused the children also. One even convince our daughter to accuse me of sexually assaulting her. When the judge and the two attorney privately interviewed my daughter, she told them her mother forced her to say that I was sexually abusing her and that I had never physically abused her at all.

I have assisted many men in their attempts to defend themselves from vicious women like this.
I also taught women's self defense classes. I know first hand what can happen to women. I also taught self defense and I know first hand how abuse people in general can be.

Since I am an avid student of statistics, I know for a fact that most people listen to the media and the media LIES about these statistics.

People push others past their limits and then play victim.

My brother was a victim like this. I was in his house when his then wife was freaking out. She went into the bedroom opened the window and started screaming out the window like he was attacking her.
He and I were in the living room listening to her do this. She later received a free attorney, free housing, free CASH, because she was playing the victim, when HE was the victim.

Surveys suggest ~42-50% of women admit they'd lie about paternity to keep a relationship
Almost 30% disputed paternity tests exclude the alleged father.

Almost 20% of these are proven deliberate deception (e.g., for financial gain via child support)
Rates are falling due to the ease and knowledge of DNA testing.

Then we get to who tells bigger lies, men or women.

A man might say no I did not have sex with her, etc.
A woman say yes this is your child.

Which is worse.

I can go on, but this is the main reason MEN should get prenups, not just for the protection of their assets, but so they can deal with cheating women wanting money for children that are not the man's.

Should I mention Gold Diggers?
Or women that go out on dates with rich men and then file false allegations and request money to drop the allegations? This happened to me recently. Then she remembered (cause I reminded her) that I told her I record everything and she dropped the allegation. Because the recording showed SHE was the aggressor and I was telling HER NO and she was NOT taking no for an answer.

Men are not perfect, statistically they are not the majority of the problem. Women are the majority of the problem. The system is setup to favor women.

GUYS, if she is upset about a prenup, show her the curb.
Gals, if he does not ask for one, show him the curb.

You want the separation agreed upon before you get in too deep.

Informal relationships (dating/cohabitation) have higher dissolution rates than formal marriages, with ~70% of early-stage dating ending within the first year, compared to ~40% lifetime divorce risk for first marriages.
higher for remarriages (~60%)
average failed relationship lasts ~2.5–3.3 years

36% of Cohabitation end within 5 years


Women initiate ~70% of breakups/divorces; report higher post-separation pain

Couples with Prenup 30-40% divorce rate. 10-20% reduction
You read it correctly, you are less likely to get a divorce if you have a prenup.

The more assets a couple has before a marriage the higher the chance of a prenup and the divorce rate falls even more.
No Increase in Risk: Multiple reviews (e.g., psychologist analyses) confirm no evidence prenups raise divorce odds; they may decrease them by 20-30% via reduced litigation stress.
Potential Decrease: Couples discussing finances pre-marriage report higher satisfaction; non-pooling finances doubles marital issues, (this means the women adds to the money too!)
prenups allow balanced separation of assets.

Myths Debunked: The idea that prenups "predict doom" stems from optimism bias—people estimate their divorce risk at ~12% vs. actual 50%. Requesting one signals realism, not pessimism.

NO studies link prenup discussions to higher pre-marital breakups; instead, they may filter incompatible pairs, preventing costlier future splits. Again if you are not willing to talk about it, send yourself to the curb.

Prenups builds trust (85% of surveyed couples report stronger communication); protects against "gray divorce" (50+ age group, doubled since 1990s).
If one-sided, can breed resentment (63% fear increased divorce risk upon request). Well-drafted prenups (with independent counsel) avoid this.
More common (and beneficial) in high-earners (63% of divorce pros recommend); women may resist due to perceived inequity. perceived is the problem. women are emotional creators and only a few use logic. IMHO, too many think they are using logic when in fact they are using their "feelings" which are caused by chemicals in their body, not always by the facts of what is really going on in their life.

My last went through menopause and is now a completely different person. She said this, NOT me. The drinking did not help, and yes she drank heavily before we met, then started hiding it from me. Then tried to blame it on me, when even her daughters have stated SHE was the cause of almost all the issues they witnessed between her and the rest of the family.

Get this, my last wife inherited MILLIONS when her father passed and then left me (then took control of her mother's assets) and then tried to take half from me plus alimony, all while denying she had any money.
When technically she was taking taking taking from me, without my knowledge and taking from her mother, who does not know. I know because this X made the mistake of bragging to me about it, all the time knowing that I record all our conversations.

So far I have "won" every court battle, because I have a paper trail, audio and video recordings and witnesses that tell the truth (probably because they know I have recordings!)
So far all the assets have been signed over to me. YES, ALL of them, even the depts.

Now I am debating whether to go after my half of the millions she inherited while married to me. If she would play nice, I would NOT even be thinking about it. However, she is not playing nice and forced me to contract a team of attorneys. This team is adamant that I go after what is legally mine. Still debating! My children want me to go after it. They know I will help them with that money, biased they are. Like their mother they are.

All I wanted was a happy marriage and family. Not an alcoholic that would not listen to reason. Not a spoiled entitled women that things because we had sex I owe her. NO, she was not home cleaning the house or expected too. She actually chased off the maids and service people that I hired. Chased of because they could not stand HER entitlement. Many of the women could not believe that I allowed her to treat me and the children the way she does. The men were not as surprised as most to them shared with me that their wives were as bad, almost as bad and a few worse.

End rant!

[Big MOE]

If a man proposed to me and said it is conditional on a prenup I would tell him to stick his ring and prenup up his ass.

He should have already talked to you about a prenup before proposing, then sent you to the curb when you responded like this.

A prenup protects both of you.
Like most women that bring zero finances to a relationship, that know they can leave at any point and take half and get paid the rest of their lives.
Of course these types of women are upset about discussing a prenup!

Women that have assets are the FIRST to ask for prenups! This is a statistical fact.
Women are the ones that act the victim and file for divorce.
Women file for 70% of divorces!

Lesbians have a much higher divorce rate.

Gay men have the lowest divorce rate.

Bisexual women report the most abuse.
followed by Transgender/Nonbinary (any orientation)
then Lesbians
Heterosexual Women is slightly more than Heterosexual men. We all know men report it MUCH less than women.
Gay men is by far the lowest reported abuse.

All I can speak of is my person experience. Both of my wives were violent towards ME. Had I not been secretly recording the abuse and my children witnessed this and been abuse themselves, I would be the bad guy.
Yes, both wives abused the children also. One even convince our daughter to accuse me of sexually assaulting her. When the judge and the two attorney privately interviewed my daughter, she told them her mother forced her to say that I was sexually abusing her and that I had never physically abused her at all.

I have assisted many men in their attempts to defend themselves from vicious women like this.
I also taught women's self defense classes. I know first hand what can happen to women. I also taught self defense and I know first hand how abuse people in general can be.

Since I am an avid student of statistics, I know for a fact that most people listen to the media and the media LIES about these statistics.

People push others past their limits and then play victim.

My brother was a victim like this. I was in his house when his then wife was freaking out. She went into the bedroom opened the window and started screaming out the window like he was attacking her.
He and I were in the living room listening to her do this. She later received a free attorney, free housing, free CASH, because she was playing the victim, when HE was the victim.

Surveys suggest ~42-50% of women admit they'd lie about paternity to keep a relationship
Almost 30% disputed paternity tests exclude the alleged father.

Almost 20% of these are proven deliberate deception (e.g., for financial gain via child support)
Rates are falling due to the ease and knowledge of DNA testing.

Then we get to who tells bigger lies, men or women.

A man might say no I did not have sex with her, etc.
A woman say yes this is your child.

Which is worse.

I can go on, but this is the main reason MEN should get prenups, not just for the protection of their assets, but so they can deal with cheating women wanting money for children that are not the man's.

Should I mention Gold Diggers?
Or women that go out on dates with rich men and then file false allegations and request money to drop the allegations? This happened to me recently. Then she remembered (cause I reminded her) that I told her I record everything and she dropped the allegation. Because the recording showed SHE was the aggressor and I was telling HER NO and she was NOT taking no for an answer.

Men are not perfect, statistically they are not the majority of the problem. Women are the majority of the problem. The system is setup to favor women.

GUYS, if she is upset about a prenup, show her the curb.
Gals, if he does not ask for one, show him the curb.

You want the separation agreed upon before you get in too deep.

Informal relationships (dating/cohabitation) have higher dissolution rates than formal marriages, with ~70% of early-stage dating ending within the first year, compared to ~40% lifetime divorce risk for first marriages.
higher for remarriages (~60%)
average failed relationship lasts ~2.5–3.3 years

36% of Cohabitation end within 5 years


Women initiate ~70% of breakups/divorces; report higher post-separation pain

Couples with Prenup 30-40% divorce rate. 10-20% reduction
You read it correctly, you are less likely to get a divorce if you have a prenup.

The more assets a couple has before a marriage the higher the chance of a prenup and the divorce rate falls even more.
No Increase in Risk: Multiple reviews (e.g., psychologist analyses) confirm no evidence prenups raise divorce odds; they may decrease them by 20-30% via reduced litigation stress.
Potential Decrease: Couples discussing finances pre-marriage report higher satisfaction; non-pooling finances doubles marital issues, (this means the women adds to the money too!)
prenups allow balanced separation of assets.

Myths Debunked: The idea that prenups "predict doom" stems from optimism bias—people estimate their divorce risk at ~12% vs. actual 50%. Requesting one signals realism, not pessimism.

NO studies link prenup discussions to higher pre-marital breakups; instead, they may filter incompatible pairs, preventing costlier future splits. Again if you are not willing to talk about it, send yourself to the curb.

Prenups builds trust (85% of surveyed couples report stronger communication); protects against "gray divorce" (50+ age group, doubled since 1990s).
If one-sided, can breed resentment (63% fear increased divorce risk upon request). Well-drafted prenups (with independent counsel) avoid this.
More common (and beneficial) in high-earners (63% of divorce pros recommend); women may resist due to perceived inequity. perceived is the problem. women are emotional creators and only a few use logic. IMHO, too many think they are using logic when in fact they are using their "feelings" which are caused by chemicals in their body, not always by the facts of what is really going on in their life.

My last went through menopause and is now a completely different person. She said this, NOT me. The drinking did not help, and yes she drank heavily before we met, then started hiding it from me. Then tried to blame it on me, when even her daughters have stated SHE was the cause of almost all the issues they witnessed between her and the rest of the family.

Get this, my last wife inherited MILLIONS when her father passed and then left me (then took control of her mother's assets) and then tried to take half from me plus alimony, all while denying she had any money.
When technically she was taking taking taking from me, without my knowledge and taking from her mother, who does not know. I know because this X made the mistake of bragging to me about it, all the time knowing that I record all our conversations.

So far I have "won" every court battle, because I have a paper trail, audio and video recordings and witnesses that tell the truth (probably because they know I have recordings!)
So far all the assets have been signed over to me. YES, ALL of them, even the depts.

Now I am debating whether to go after my half of the millions she inherited while married to me. If she would play nice, I would NOT even be thinking about it. However, she is not playing nice and forced me to contract a team of attorneys. This team is adamant that I go after what is legally mine. Still debating! My children want me to go after it. They know I will help them with that money, biased they are. Like their mother they are.

All I wanted was a happy marriage and family. Not an alcoholic that would not listen to reason. Not a spoiled entitled women that things because we had sex I owe her. NO, she was not home cleaning the house or expected too. She actually chased off the maids and service people that I hired. Chased of because they could not stand HER entitlement. Many of the women could not believe that I allowed her to treat me and the children the way she does. The men were not as surprised as most to them shared with me that their wives were as bad, almost as bad and a few worse.

End rant!

Never would have guessed lesbians have the highest rate of divorce, and gay men the lowest.

[pussylover]

Marriage is a contract, contracts have terms and conditions, financial rewards and obligations. You catch where this is going?

[gotonudecom]

Never would have guessed lesbians have the highest rate of divorce, and gay men the lowest.

Goes to show that men are not the REAL reason there are issues. Women and their FEELINGS are the REAL reason there are issues. Especially in my experience.

Watch a few women psychologist pod casts and you will hear them say that women cause their own issues and the real reason the 'GOOD' men have issues with women.

Too much emotional issues, too little logic, too much ME ME ME, to little responsibility for their own actions.
I have Three daughters and two Xs. ALL our counselors have said this to me and to them. This just made them want NEW counselors or just stop participating in counseling.

Cause they put out they are entitled.
Too many women have been taught being a woman is below them.

I am talking from MY experience. I do know many women that know their place, just like I know many men that know their place. Your place in a relationship depends on your abilities and how the two of you divide the responsibilities.

Each person has a responsibility in the relationship.
I do dishes and laundry or I contract someone to come do it. Just like I take the car to get the oil changed and deal with tires.

Why should I do a minimum wage job, dishes, laundry, etc. when I have a house full of unemployed people/most of which are female that are doing nothing or next to nothing to help with anything else? Why should I do minimum wage job when my time is worth so much more and I can afford to pay for someone else to do it? Or have a house full of people living off my hard work and doing next to nothing?

Then when I ask them to do SOMETHING, that get offended that I am asking them to perform a responsibility that everyone needs done.

They can go get a job and contract someone to do that job, but they don't. Well my oldest daughter did/does.

When MEN live together they get this.

Men also know that men will punch each other which makes negotiation easier because most men do not want to punch anyone.
again in my experience, women know we are trained not to punch them, so they push that as far as they can or in my case they punch me. Yes both wives physically abused me and I used recordings to prove it.


GET a PRENUP!

[trafficseller]

I have heard many times that gay couples last longer than heterosexual couples do.

[gotonudecom]

I have heard many times that gay couples last longer than heterosexual couples do.

Gay MEN last longer, NOT Gay couples.

Lesbians divorce more and have more violence than relationships where MEN are involved.

Showing a strong statistical reason that women are really the majority of the problem in relationships. IMHO!

I am at least admitting to myself, that ME NOT leaving YEARS ago has greatly changed ME and probably not in a good way, at least towards women.
Ask me to talk about men, I am harder on them that women. So do not say that I am a bigot or biased or whatever. PEOPLE for the most part suck!~ and not on what I want them to suck on! LOL!

[PootangMan]

If you meet the right woman it will not be about your money