zero point energy is it possible

[gotonudecom]

Just think if we did not need middle east oil, how the world could live without wars. Oil has caused so much death and destruction in history.

Not trying to be an ass but oil did not cause the death and destruction.
Human nature did.

Not just human nature, but the nature of life on this planet.

What I am researching is how we can each have our own power source.

We do not need to pay a corporation to power our homes.
if you live in the city sure, but where I live, no reason I can not 100% power myself.

BTW @Bikker fixed the server, it was not a bad server, it was being attacked and I had not noticed.

I was saying countries go to war for oil, so if you have oil your country is a potential war arena. Look at how many wars have happened in the past 50 years and which ones had oil.

correlation does not equal causation

[pussyhunter]

Solar and wind power costs next to nothing.

[TheButcher]

Solar and wind power costs next to nothing.

Both make the environment ugly and only effective in sunny climates and windy places respectively.

[gotonudecom]

Solar and wind power costs next to nothing.

what is your definition of next to nothing?

Powering an average U.S. home (using roughly 900 kWh per month) with a standalone, grid-tied residential setup costs about $15,000 to $25,000 for solar and roughly $10,000 to $50,000+ for a small residential wind turbine in their respective ideal geographic locations

If than is nothing for you, we should talk business.

[tacnet]

Solar and wind power costs next to nothing.

what is your definition of next to nothing?

Powering an average U.S. home (using roughly 900 kWh per month) with a standalone, grid-tied residential setup costs about $15,000 to $25,000 for solar and roughly $10,000 to $50,000+ for a small residential wind turbine in their respective ideal geographic locations

If than is nothing for you, we should talk business.

That's for the setup costs. After that its next to nothing.

My father drives and EV and has solar panels on his roof that charge up a big battery on the side of his house. So he has ZERO electrical costs and ZERO fuel costs. In fact, last year he made a profit of around £500.00 by selling the energy back to the grid. He can even use his EV as a separate battery to power the house

The problem isn't creating the energy, its storing it. Right now we have batteries that can store up enough energy to power a house but what we need is a way of storing up enough energy to power the grid, or at least a good chunk of it.

[tacnet]

Solar and wind power costs next to nothing.

Both make the environment ugly and only effective in sunny climates and windy places respectively.

There's a 3rd option that is rapidly gaining ground......tidal energy. You can have a big submerged propeller that rotates with the tide OR use the tide to fill a reservoir and then use that to create hydro electric power. No need to worry about cloudy days or the wind not blowing and its all underwater so it doesn't spoil the view

[gotonudecom]

Solar and wind power costs next to nothing.

what is your definition of next to nothing?

Powering an average U.S. home (using roughly 900 kWh per month) with a standalone, grid-tied residential setup costs about $15,000 to $25,000 for solar and roughly $10,000 to $50,000+ for a small residential wind turbine in their respective ideal geographic locations

If than is nothing for you, we should talk business.

That's for the setup costs. After that its next to nothing.

My father drives and EV and has solar panels on his roof that charge up a big battery on the side of his house. So he has ZERO electrical costs and ZERO fuel costs. In fact, last year he made a profit of around £500.00 by selling the energy back to the grid. He can even use his EV as a separate battery to power the house

The problem isn't creating the energy, its storing it. Right now we have batteries that can store up enough energy to power a house but what we need is a way of storing up enough energy to power the grid, or at least a good chunk of it.

Why? Why grid size batteries? Red pill syndrome? Aka one pill syndrome? House batteries for everyone! Also there are larger batteries avaliable. Have you heard of All-Iron Flow Battery to name one of many that are available.

https://essinc.com/

[Affman]

Interesting topic let's keep discussing this

[Big MOE]

It would be sp sweet not to pay for power water and sear every month. I'd save $630 bucks.

[tacnet]

what is your definition of next to nothing?

Powering an average U.S. home (using roughly 900 kWh per month) with a standalone, grid-tied residential setup costs about $15,000 to $25,000 for solar and roughly $10,000 to $50,000+ for a small residential wind turbine in their respective ideal geographic locations

If than is nothing for you, we should talk business.

That's for the setup costs. After that its next to nothing.

My father drives and EV and has solar panels on his roof that charge up a big battery on the side of his house. So he has ZERO electrical costs and ZERO fuel costs. In fact, last year he made a profit of around £500.00 by selling the energy back to the grid. He can even use his EV as a separate battery to power the house

The problem isn't creating the energy, its storing it. Right now we have batteries that can store up enough energy to power a house but what we need is a way of storing up enough energy to power the grid, or at least a good chunk of it.

Why? Why grid size batteries? Red pill syndrome? Aka one pill syndrome? House batteries for everyone! Also there are larger batteries avaliable. Have you heard of All-Iron Flow Battery to name one of many that are available.

https://essinc.com/

Yeah those house batteries are great but it relies on individuals shelling out money to set them up and not everybody can afford that. I know there are a lot of companies working on scaling them up right now and the first to crack it is going to make a lot of money.

I saw an interesting idea the other day. I think it was in Canada where they have two lakes on a mountain. One is about 300ft higher than the other one. When they are using renewable energy (solar, wind etc) they pump water from the bottom lake to the top one. Then they let that water drain to create electricity when they cant use renewables. It's basically the worlds biggest battery

There's one of two ways we are going to solve this energy crisis. Either we figure out how to scale up battery technology so we can store massive amounts of energy OR we crack fusion. In order to do the latter, we need Helium3 which is very rare on earth but abundant on the moon, hence why the space race has started up again

[PornPete]

Nothing in life is forever or free, keep that in mind.

[tacnet]

Nothing in life is forever or free, keep that in mind.

Very true, any anything you can't do forever is by definition, unsustainable. That's why we have to get off fossil fuels

[antisocial]

You can not create energy out of nothing, correct me if I am wrong.

That is the point of zero point energy energy out of nothing.

You getting any free energy yourself?

[gotonudecom]

That's for the setup costs. After that its next to nothing.

My father drives and EV and has solar panels on his roof that charge up a big battery on the side of his house. So he has ZERO electrical costs and ZERO fuel costs. In fact, last year he made a profit of around £500.00 by selling the energy back to the grid. He can even use his EV as a separate battery to power the house

The problem isn't creating the energy, its storing it. Right now we have batteries that can store up enough energy to power a house but what we need is a way of storing up enough energy to power the grid, or at least a good chunk of it.

Why? Why grid size batteries? Red pill syndrome? Aka one pill syndrome? House batteries for everyone! Also there are larger batteries avaliable. Have you heard of All-Iron Flow Battery to name one of many that are available.

https://essinc.com/

Yeah those house batteries are great but it relies on individuals shelling out money to set them up and not everybody can afford that. I know there are a lot of companies working on scaling them up right now and the first to crack it is going to make a lot of money.

I saw an interesting idea the other day. I think it was in Canada where they have two lakes on a mountain. One is about 300ft higher than the other one. When they are using renewable energy (solar, wind etc) they pump water from the bottom lake to the top one. Then they let that water drain to create electricity when they cant use renewables. It's basically the worlds biggest battery

There's one of two ways we are going to solve this energy crisis. Either we figure out how to scale up battery technology so we can store massive amounts of energy OR we crack fusion. In order to do the latter, we need Helium3 which is very rare on earth but abundant on the moon, hence why the space race has started up again

we also need to use energy more efficiently. the conversion rates are horrible. what 25% of the power in the US is used to deliver the power then 30% to 50% lost converting to something else in your home or business.
anyone know accurate numbers.

people wont spend the money on it because it is so expensive, so expensive because the big boys dont really want us to have it. IMHO!

[Austin]

I'm looking at solar panels for my house to reduce my DWP bill every month.